Daily, Sept. 15th: Nick Sirianni defends Landon Dickerson, Cam Jurgens

What's going on, everybody? And good morning. Today is Tuesday, September 15th, and this is your daily Go Birds morning update, giving you all the Eagles news you need to know, as well as what to keep an eye out for today. And happy Tuesday. Look, we know this. Tuesday, it's the worst day of the week. But maybe when it's a victory Tuesday, you feel a little bit better. We got an exciting week coming up. Crazy Nashville is already this weekend. Shout out to fans of Philly. If you are going to Nashville this weekend for the Eagles-Titans game, hit me up. Join Go Birds Insider and let me know there if you're gonna be there. I would love to meet up, maybe have a drink, talk some football. And just excited to see all the Eagles fans down there. So crazy it is already this weekend, by the way. So my lovely wife Kristen is away, she's away at work. And there is something about when she's away from work that causes my dog Kingsley to feel the need to sit directly next to me when I record the podcast. When she's here, he could care less about the podcast. Now look, I think he probably cares about the Eagles because I cover them and all those things. But he's never listening to the podcast when she's here. But when she's not here, he's all in my grill. So he is currently sitting right next to me, I think desperately wants some food. But I feed him all the time. This isn't a food, he's not hungry. He's just like me, enjoys to eat even when he's not hungry. So if you hear some collar shaking in the background, that explains it. So anyway, as Kingsley listens to the pod, let's get into the pod for today. Because on Monday, Nick Sirianni spoke for, I guess, a second time since the win over Washington. But really the first time when you consider he's now had a chance to watch the game. And he got into a lot of interesting stuff. So we're gonna get into that, we're gonna get into some interesting stats and facts from the Eagles' win over Washington and some good things and some concerning things, as is always the case, from any game in the NFL. Really anything in life, but from anything in the NFL. So let's get it started, but let's do what we always do after I say let's get it started. Let me tell you about two quick things. First, go check out the Book Drive, Working with Treehouse Books again this year. We've raised enough money for almost 9,000 books over the past few years. And got a chance to go and visit the space recently, the Treehouse Books space, as they are rebuilding it. It's going to be awesome. And being there really hits home how important this is, right? They do awesome work, and they are doing so much right now to rebuild that space, to get more books into the hands of kids in the city that don't have access to them. 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On Sunday night during the game, everyone was in there hanging out and talking. It was a lot of fun. So go check it out if you can. All right, the schedule for today, we will be hearing from the coordinators, as Vic Fangio, Sean Manny and Michael Clay will speak to the media. I'd expect that around 11.30. This can be pretty fluid. But obviously on the Wednesday Daily Pod, we'll have everything interesting that they had to say. So keep an eye out for that on Wednesday. But if you want to follow along today, middle of the day, they should be talking. So like I said, Nick Sirianni spoke to the media on Monday, one day after the team's 24-20 win over Washington. And the big story on Monday was definitely the play of the offensive line. You know, if I'm Nick, I'm probably sitting there feeling like I'm going through a press conference after a loss and not a win. But the questions were a lot about the interior offensive line. And look, I think rightfully so. When you rewatch the game, which I did on Monday, I don't know if you guys have had a chance to rewatch it yet, but it really shows how much pressure they allowed up the middle. Landon struggled, Cam Jurgens struggled, really all the offensive line struggled, especially up the middle. So Nick was asked about that, and here is what Nick had to say. After watching the film there, looked like the interior offensive line was a little bit leaky at times. How do you, how do you evaluate those guys? And there's any concern about Cam and Landon coming off the injury plague season? You know, I think, I think we did some really good things. Obviously, you know, throughout offensively, defensively, special teams, obviously, there's things to work on. You know, I thought we got, at times, got really good movement and push. And at times, you know, we gave up some pressures and that's a, that's an entire offensive issue, not just, not just one, one spot or one area. And so, you know, again, I think there was a lot of good things, particularly in there of the question you asked me with those guys. And then obviously, just like everything, especially in the first game, there's a lot of things to clean up and that's what today was about. We were able to get in there as a group, as a team first, as offense and defense second, as positions third, and go to work to try to get everything fixed so we can continue our rise to get better. So obviously not a ton in there, right? But I think the main takeaway from that is, and actually I'll play this quote on top of it. So later on, Nick was asked specifically about Landon Dickerson and how he played, and here's what Nick had to say about that. At this point in his career, is Landon Dickerson physically capable of playing at a high enough level that this team needs? I think what you see with Landon is his extreme power. He's a big man who is able to move guys off the spot. You know, if you go back and you look at, I think, you know, okay, so he gives up some pressures, all right, but he also caved in the side on Saquon's long run on that third down and just did a really good job of pushing their defensive tackle and displacing him, which is a big job description for him. He's tough as heck. We've won a ton of games with Landon, and there's a lot of good things that he can do, just like every player on our team from yesterday's game and every coach for that matter. There's good moments, and there's moments that we got to fix, and that's where we are. And, you know, can't tell you how much I think of Landon and the player that he is, and particularly that power and that size where he can move guys off the spot against their will. So if you're Landon Dickerson and you're scrolling through Twitter on Monday, you know you didn't play well, so probably not a good idea to be scrolling Twitter, but maybe you're like, let's see what the head coach has to say. And Landon knows he didn't play well, right? It's not a secret. Landon was there. Landon's aware. Landon watched the tape on Monday. So I do think in this instance, if you're Landon and you hear Nick, like that's what you want to hear, right? I'm sure in the building, right, Nick is probably, and, you know, Chris Cooper and Shawn Mannion are talking a little more specifics and like, hey, you know, that's not a good play from you or whatever. But I think publicly it matters when head coaches go to bat for guys. I work with Ike Reese, Hugh Douglas, and John Ritchie. And one of the reasons they love Andy Reed is cause he went to bat for them. Like maybe not them specifically, but like he is a coach that protected his players, right? Andy took all the blame at the podium. And I think that's what you're seeing from Nick, right? So not only does Nick defend Landon, but he goes over the top. Like, hey, he was huge on that long sacral run. Man, we know how strong he is and he can move people and it's on everybody, right? It's not just on him. You know, pressure's on everybody. But I think the way Nick handled that is really good. We often talk about the times Nick doesn't handle things well at the podium, and those are few and far between now for what it's worth. But I think the way Nick handled that was really, really good. So I think, you know, good job by him there. The other part of this is the reality, though, of what did happen. And Landon did not play well. And look, if Devante had a really bad game, I don't think you would be getting questions about, like, is Devante good still, right? But we know Landon gets those questions, and Cam to an extent, because of the physical part of this, right? The fact that they were physically beat up last year. And when you're an offensive lineman and you're big like that and you have a lot of wear and tear on your body, it becomes harder to continue to play at a high level. So, you know, obviously, it's what makes Lane's career so impressive. So with Landon and Cam, and Landon's getting the brunt of this, right? Like Cam didn't have a great game, but Landon is getting the brunt of it. With Landon, it is, you know, can he still do this? Is he physically the same? That was the question Nick was asked. First of all, I don't know how Nick's supposed to answer that, right? Like, I think we can all see, and the reality when they drafted Landon was they knew that lower body, like he had had injuries there, and you feel happy for Landon that he's won a Super Bowl, he's made Pro Bowls, he's made life-changing money, right? So he was able to accomplish all the things you can in football prior to maybe not being able to do anymore. I think, and maybe this is where I'll get, you know, accused of being a devil's advocate. I almost think we're going like a little far with it. I don't think Landon's, you know, and watch this happen, but I don't think Landon's gonna like retire this week. Like Landon's gonna keep playing. Landon's gonna start against Tennessee on Sunday. So he could bounce back and have a good game. I think we're writing the Landon Dickerson obituary like a little early, right? But he didn't play well. And it could potentially present the Eagles with the tough situation of what do you do if he continues to struggle? Because it really did hurt the team, the way the interior of the offensive line played. We don't know if Drew Kendall can play as well as Landon even did on Sunday, right? Drew Kendall has never really played meaningful snaps in the NFL. But no question, the interior of the offensive line is the big kind of takeaway from that game on what needs to improve. So the other part of this is the running game. So Nick Sirianni was asked about the game Saquon had. And shout out to Ruben, Ruben, I almost had stuttered. Ruben Frank, NBC Sports Philly, a local Philadelphia beat writing legend, brought up the fact that 8 of the 15 carries Saquon had went for 1 yard or less. So Nick was asked about that. He had a little counter in there, but here is what he had to say. Saquon had 15 carries. He had the big one, 42 yards, but 8 of his 15 carries went for 1 yard or less. Just wondering what you saw from him in the running game. I guess a side question to that would be, it was a little surprising to see Will Shipley in a high leverage situation, fourth quarter, get a couple of carries, one point game. What went into that decision there? Yeah, as you saw right there, Rube, I think one thing that I always, as a head coach and talking to people about how a defensive game goes or whatever, and it's like, man, he only averaged this many yards on this many carries. And you go, well, the math doesn't add up there. What about this one? And he's like, well, yeah, take away the 46 yard game. Those count. Being committed to the run game, sometimes that's the way it goes. Not every play can be an explosive play in the run game. You want to make sure you're staying ahead of the sticks. Now, that doesn't mean that we ignore the issues that happened on those plays that averaged whatever, right? Some of them were negative plays, some of them were one yard games, some of them were six yard games. We'll take those six yard gains. But those plays count, you know? And then, and when you're committed to the run game like we are, you know, you reap the benefits of that when you stick with it of getting an explosive in a situation, which we were able to do, that ended up setting up a touchdown. As far as Will, you know, Will was obviously in on some of the third downs. Sometimes in third down, you know, when you convert, you get on the ball. And when you get on the ball, you don't want to sub, you're trying to do something, you're trying to take advantage of something when you get on the ball and go tempo. Obviously, we've done a lot of tempo here in my time. I'm not going to get into, hey, here are the reasons we get onto the ball, but there's different reasons for why you get on the ball at different times. And in that situation, you know, if you sub, they're allowed to sub. And so you're going to get on the ball and run a play there. And he ended up getting those two carries in a row when we were back to back on that one. But, you know, just the way that game worked out, I think the best way to say, hey, why did Will Shipley get carries in those situations? Because we trust our backs. We trust every one of those guys. They've all shown to be able to make plays in different aspects. And so, you know, obviously, Saquon's our lead guy, as you guys know. And we're really comfortable when Tank and Will are in there, and they're getting carries, and they're getting protections, and we've got a lot of faith in that group, and we'll continue to have faith in that group because they continue to show us the things that they can do on a consistent basis. So today's going to be a big Nick is right, but, you know. So Nick's right. That long run does count, for sure, and it counts in the average. But, to Rube's point, the whole thing with this offense is staying on schedule. The whole thing with this offense is staying ahead of the sticks. And, if you are, you know, getting one or fewer yards on over half the carries, you're putting yourself into second and 11, second and 10, which is obviously not a good situation to be in. So, I see Nick Sirianni's point, and obviously he talks in there about Shipley and the subbing and all that. But, you look at the game on Sunday, they were in second and 11 after a negative one yard run. They were in second and 11 after another negative one yard run. They were in third and 14 after a negative three yard run. They had holds that put them in first and 20, first and 19, sacks that put them in second and long, third and long. So, Nick is right, like the average matters. And it's a little bit like the LaShawn McCoy thing, right? LaShawn McCoy was unbelievable as a running back. He would have 20 carries for 120 yards, and 70 of them would be on two, right? So, there is that aspect of the game, and there's something about consistency. I think what Rube is getting at, and I agree, is when you're not getting positive yardage or anything meaningful on these carries, it does become harder to stick to the run and you put your offense in a tough spot. So, understand what Nick is saying, but I think Rube makes a fair point. Speaking of things where I understand what Nick is saying, but I don't agree, Nick was asked about Mackay Lemon and his contributions to the game on Sunday, and here is what Nick had to say. How do you feel like Mackay did in his first game, and do you feel like you guys have to find, you know, more ways or different ways of getting him involved, to get him in the flow of game, of the game? You know, what I say, there's a lot of things that Mackay did in that game that don't reflect on the stat sheet, and we constantly talk about that. What are you doing to help this team win the game, particularly if you're a skill guy, that might not be able to be seen from the, you know, in a stat book or to the naked eye. And what he, you know, he's always done a good job since he's been here of blocking, doing the right things, you know, being in the right spots. You know, obviously the ones that went to him yesterday didn't equal out to be a big yardage gains, right? You know, and, but he did little things to help us win the football game that sometimes are unseen and unnoticed. And so, where I think that's really, why that's really important is, while a young player is continuing to get used to the NFL and being able to make an impact, you have to trust that player. And we trust him because he's constantly doing the things without the ball that we need to help us win. And that we know is going to help us win. And so that just builds confidence and allows players to develop, you know, because I've been on the other side of that where maybe you didn't trust the guy and you didn't want to put him in there. And then it was hard to get that guy going. So because of that trust we have in him, I think that's going to help him continue to develop as a football player as we continue on through the season. So re-watching the game on Monday, like I did think there were times where McKay was open and the ball didn't go his way. And if the ball does go his way and he catches it, obviously the game is different, but the ball didn't go his way. And so he didn't get an opportunity to catch it. And so he ends the game with I think three catches for, I think it was zero yards on, no, it was probably four or five yards because he had the one that was like eight or nine. But still not like super involved in the offense. What you saw when re-watching the game was when you're trying to force the ball to McKay, it does really hold the offense up because those plays aren't going well. And you're really only calling them because of McKay. Like you're not calling them, I don't think at least because of, you're seeing something with the defense. Like you're calling it because that's what McKay can do when you're trying to get McKay the ball. So I understand what Nick is saying in terms of like blocking is important and all those things. Like 100% get what Nick is saying there. Here's the issue with that. You don't draft those types of players at 20th overall. You don't take them in the first round and trade third round picks to get them. Those guys that go in that spot are supposed to be doing things like Jalen Carter, are supposed to be doing things like Quinian Mitchell, are supposed to be doing things even like Nolan Smith, who had a really good game on Sunday. So get what Nick is saying, but McKay can't be a dirty work guy. McKay has to be a, the defense is afraid of him because he's a playmaker guy. And Nick knows that. And this is again a good example of him sticking up for his players. But yeah, I thought that it's pretty obvious McKay has to be better. And I get what Nick's saying, but that can't be McKay's role. McKay has to start being a playmaker for this team. And if you want to say not this year, because it's his rookie year, I think that that's fine. But eventually he's going to have to start showing something. And through the first few games, including preseason where he played in one, and then obviously playing Sunday, it's not looked great. So on the other side, we'll get into a few news and notes, or notes and stats, I guess I should say, from the game. And we'll keep talking about this Eagles win, 1-0. All right, we'll get into that on the other side, but first a word from our sponsors. Okay, let's get into some odds and ends from the game. One of the exciting parts of Monday after an Eagles game is, you know, look, I think the Eagles media coverage is unbelievable, right? The amount of beat reporters we have in this market, I'm happy to call them friends, but also happy to call them colleagues, the amazing job they do. But one thing that has definitely started to happen I would say over the last few years is, there's like a groundswell, is that the saying, of people that just put out, and really this isn't just Eagles, but just in the NFL world in general, just all types of awesome advanced stats and graphs and all types of things and different ways to, you know, learn about what happened in the game on Sunday. And I'm lucky because I'm not great at putting together those types of things, but I'm happy that there are people out there that are, cause I feel like I learned from it, and then we can all talk about it. So one of those people that does an unbelievable job is Deniz. And I don't even know if I have to say his last name, Deniz Seldman. He works for PHLY, but is also a professor at Penn, and I've talked about him on the pod, does just an unbelievable job. Like, you know, sometimes people are worried about AI kind of taking over things because, like, it can be smarter than humans. I feel like Deniz is, like, the human version of AI coming to take over the Eagles beat. And I look at him and I go, I just can't compete with this level of intelligence. So I appreciate everything he does because it makes me be able to talk about it. So shout out to Deniz. He puts out a stat on Monday, and ironically, this is not like the most advance of stats. But basically, all off season, we talked about it, right? Play action under center, under center play action, under center throwing it out of play action, like all that type of stuff, right? And I thought going into week one, we would see a lot of it. And as the game went on through Sunday, it started to kind of, I noticed it, more and more people talking about it, like, oh, Jalen's not doing a ton of play action. And that did bear out in the stats. So according to Deniz, now I'm recording this, spoiler, before the Monday night game. So we only have the 30 teams that have played so far. But on Sunday, and then obviously the first two games before that, the Eagles only ran play action two times versus Washington. That would be the lowest of the 30 teams that played so far. And again, this is prior to Monday night. So I think there's two ways to view that, right? We spent so much time this off season being like, how long are they gonna stick with the offense? How long are they gonna stick with the offense? You could look at that and go, well, they didn't stick with it very long, right? Like they didn't do a lot of play action under center. But I actually think the correct way to look at this is think about this from a game planning perspective, right? And we know that the Eagles, cause of what Kevin Patulo said earlier this off season, if you didn't hear it, Kevin Patulo, who now works for the Miami Dolphins, not with the Eagles anymore, unsure if you knew that. Kevin Patulo said that during the Eagles time, they would look for training camp coverage and like, look for plays that make it out online via Twitter from beat reporters and stuff, and use that to prepare for the season. So, if you're Nick Sirianni, if you're Sean Mannion, all you have heard about, all you've heard about from your guys covering the team, including me and all the great reporters that do it, is they're going to run wide zone and they're going to do play action under center, like that's what they're going to do. So, if you're Washington, now I'll be honest, Washington doesn't strike me as like the most forward thinking of organizations. But if you're Washington, it's no secret that this is what the Eagles want to do. So, I think going into week one, it actually makes a lot of sense to not do the thing everybody's expecting you to do, right? To zig when everyone's expecting you to zag. So, going into the game week one, I don't think it should be viewed as them kind of abandoning the offense or anything like that. I think basically what this is is Washington probably expected one thing and the Eagles did another. And I think that's probably a smart way to go about it. So, that being said, week two against Tennessee, week three against Chicago, we'll see, right? Like, can they keep it, will they do more play action under center? If we get five, six weeks into the season and they're not, that's a different discussion. But I think for week one, yeah, it makes sense not to do it a ton because a lot of people probably expected you to do it because of what was covered and talked about in training camp. So, we'll see what the rest of the season holds, but for week one, I'm okay with it. All right. So, another thing from Deniz is the Eagles in this game, they had, I'm going to pull this up here, ready for this, tied for the NFL lead in three and out rate. Now, why is that a trigger phrase to you? Well, because last year, the Eagles were at a near historic rate of three and outs, right? So, they had a three and out percentage, let me see if I can read this here, sorry. A three and out percentage of 55-ish percent, it looks like, maybe. So, it was the worst in the NFL. It was the most in the NFL. They also had the fewest amount of first downs in the NFL in week one. So, when I rewatched the game, and check out the Jalen Hurts rewatch report card if you haven't yet, one thing that stood out to me was it looked a lot like last year's offense in the way of how they went about it, like last year, and really 2024, I guess not because they were able to run the ball successfully. But last year, they got down the field by chunk plays. They didn't get down the field with like seven completions in a drive. They got down the field with one 55 yarder, maybe one more 15 yarder, and then normally a pass to Dallas Goddard. That's what happened on Sunday. So, I don't think the way they went about it on Sunday can't be rep duplicated because we've seen them do it quite a bit. But it's not great that they also had the fewest amount of first downs. It reminds me a little bit of the first preseason game when they had, I think it was the fewest amount of first downs and they scored later than any other team did. You don't want to see that. Even if your strategy is big chunk plays, and I understand if you're taking big chunk plays on the field, you're not gonna hit on as high as a percentage, that's also a somewhat tough way to live year in and year out. So, to have the fewest amount of first downs, watching it back, I don't think it was because they're learning the new offense from a schematic standpoint. I think that could be part of the offensive line part of it. I'm talking more about a seven on seven perspective. I didn't see a ton of miscommunications. Honestly, the only ones that I did see were involving McKay Lemon. But it was offensive line. The offensive line didn't play well, and it's really hard to sustain offense when your offensive line is not playing well. So to have the most three in outs, to have the fewest amount of first downs, that's obviously not what you want, clearly. But I think there's varying reasons for it. And I think this is how they kind of want to go about things is they really want to be a big play offense down the field. Alright, so another thing that's been sticking with me since the game is the inactives. So look, Andy Dalton is a backup quarterback. We talked about that at length. It's crazy to me, like obviously they think he's better. They know more than me about this. But when they acquired him, you know, whatever, right? Whatever. They have picked Andy Dalton. We have wasted too much time talking about this. Could be a big deal though, obviously, if he's the guy. But for now, we'll move on. My larger issue, I would say, is the way they've allocated roster spots. So 53-man roster. Yesterday, Andy Dalton's on the 53-man roster. Tanner McKee's on the 53-man roster. Cole Payton's on the 53-man roster. And then Elijah Moore and Hollywood Brown, both on the 53-man roster. Now, every team is going to have a backup quarterback that is active and doesn't play on Sunday, you hope, right? So it's not a big deal that they had an active, a quarterback in Andy Dalton that didn't play. But what is a big deal, I think, is that Elijah Moore, Hollywood Brown, Cole Payton and Tanner McKee, none of them played on Sunday. So it's not a 53-man roster on Sundays, it's a 46-man roster. So I was told by Nick Sirianni in that Yahoo interview, that Elijah Moore and Hollywood Brown are going to be used to stretch the field. That was like their roles, right? Elijah Moore was a healthy scratch, Hollywood Brown didn't see the field. So Elijah Moore being a healthy scratch to me is confusing. When they kept him at the final cut down, it seemed like he was going to be active week one because otherwise, and look, they know more about who can get to practice squad, otherwise you could cut him and put him on a practice squad, on the Eagles practice squad. So I was surprised he was inactive. And then Hollywood, I mean, they gave $5 million to him. He was very involved in the offense throughout training camp. And I will say a lot of the mistakes happened throwing the ball Hollywood's way, so in that way, I understand the decision. But to have Hollywood and Elijah Moore not touch the field is surprising, and it's not a great use of a roster space. And then with the quarterbacks, you have two inactive quarterbacks when, you know, really most teams only would have the one, right? Then you have the emergency quarterback. So just from a roster construction standpoint, it's a little weird to have that many inactive skill position players. It's just not normally something you see from Howie Roseman. So I was definitely surprised by that, and I've been thinking about it since the game. All right, one more stat I wanted to get out for you guys, and this is a positive stat. This is via Eagles PR, John Ganode on Twitter. Go follow him on Twitter. He's trying to get his follows up. You're like, the guy deserves more followers. So he puts these stats out back to back, and I think this can really be viewed as the Nick Sirianni and Jalen Hurts winning formula. So the first one he puts out is, under Nick Sirianni, the Eagles lead the NFL with 44 games without a turnover, including the playoffs. That's crazy. So you figure Nick has been here for five years in one game. Let me do the quick math on this, by that I mean pull out my handy dandy calculator. All right, so he's been here for five years, 17. So it's roughly half the games. In roughly half the games, Nick Sirianni's team has not turned the ball over. That's insane. And it's the most in the NFL. So on Sunday, while like, again, like Hollywood Brown, I think it's weird he didn't play, but I saw them turn the ball over when they threw it to Hollywood Brown in training camp, right? I saw Mackay Lemon, like, things didn't look good on Sunday. I can see why they didn't target him a ton. Devontae, you're going to throw the ball too. And Wicks got thrown the ball really in mostly kind of wide open spaces, like the deep pass that he got, the touchdown in the court in the end zone. He had the one contested catch where Rasul Douglas makes a nice play and comes in, like, you know, just nails him from behind. But mostly the ball was kept in a safe space. Ball security never fumbled it. Like, they're elite at that. And again, that's what they're going to stress. I said going into this season, the stress would not be on the new offense. The stress would be, or stressing, I don't know if I'm saying that right, would be on taking care of the ball, making big plays down the field. So that's the first step. Then he follows that up with, since 2022, Jalen Hurts leads the NFL in passing touchdowns 28 and completion 68 on throws of 25 plus air yards, earning a 105.2 passer rating on those attempts. So that's the formula right there. And so as much as, you know, we started this section of the pod talking about three and outs, lack of first ounce. They won the game, they scored 24 points. 24 points is not where you want to be, right? You would obviously have much rather got another touchdown in there. And so I'm not minimizing the fact they should have scored more. But that's the formula. They're gonna take care of the ball and they're gonna make big chunk plays. That's how Nick wins. And that's why when you look at almost any list, like outside of ones that are opinions, right? Nick and Jalen are on lists with all time great players, all time great coaches. And of the current guys, there's not many playing or coaching right now that have a better resume. So we can focus on the scheme and like, why didn't they stick to this and all that? And I'm not, I love to talk about everything, Eagle. So we will talk about that. And I do get the logic in it. But ultimately, there it is right there. That is the reason. They take care of the ball and they make chunk plays. And that's how they win games. And until they're not winning that way, and until that winning stops, I'm gonna keep believing that it's the way to go about it. Because in my time following the Eagles, covering the Eagles, all those things, I've never seen a better stretch in franchise history. So I thought that was a good look at why Nick is able to win the way he is. All right, that'll do it for today's Daily Pod. We got a fun Tuesday ahead. We got a pod with James at 10 a.m. That's always a fun time. Got me on WIP from three to four. Always love to argue a spike in Ike. And then we'll have some new stuff in your feed as well. So go out, enjoy your Tuesday. It's almost time to start talking titans, which is wild. Alright, talk to you guys later. Until then, he's Eliot, I'm James. Talk to you guys later.